clafirication on official winmxworld policy

[GhostShip]

Feel free to show where you gave me any documents KM I would be interested to see them as I havent yet.

You really are sinking low in your efforts to take down this site as it proved your last 2 false claims groundless, winmx has lasted more than the week you claimed it would collapse in and as the patch you started this thread with doesnt use the tcp primary as you currently are to abuse the users trust your wrong in that sphere too, in short go elsewhere if your not helping winmx, most folks have had enough drama queens.

I make apologies to new readers for the sour grapes of KM, he is a mx coding power house for sure but his view that no one else can code but him is hardly the truth.
I have 1 coder currently on the patch as the majority has already been written, he would be amused you think your the only programmer on the whole network.

I,ll deliver a full and concise reply to your post Hell as you have taken the time to ask for details its only correct I supply them to you, this will be in apporoximately 2 to 3 hours , thanks for your patience.

[Bearded Blunder]

but thats exactly what your doing quicks rideing rough shot over everybody and there views, take your replys to merlins very genuine concerns as a prime example............
just suddenly you seem blind to what is the obvious.........
and what is it im saying is untrue ? or does the truth hurt so much you refuse to see or accept it........and your veiled threat to ban me smacks of censorship.........if you cant answer the tough questions then just say so..........
you have brought this on your self quicks.......no one else to blame or point the finger at............
quote from quicks
Ice , this is your last warning, as a long time supporter of this site...........
yes thats right a long term supporter of this site over 2 years and thousands of hours put in fixing broken pie installs and the many other issues users of this community have found them selves in............and yet the very thing winmxworld was founded on is now no longer revelant........the community...............self appointed committees..........doing back room deals with those that haver stated publically and more then once that if they cant control winmx they will destroy it, a scheme that places the very existance of winmx in jepordy............and not to mention the current philosphey of winmxworld is a complete reversal of what it was only a month ago..........you have tried doing deals with pie in the past with the last effort them useing the blocklist which backfired with gem releasing a long winded bag of lies as to why no one should be useing the winmxworld blocklist..............and now suddenly you find these very same people so trustworthy your prepared to risk everything................
if you want to ban me go right ahead............the very fact that you are now beyond reasoning with, makes this all pointless as your going to proceed regardless..............but when all this stupidity comes back to bite you on the ass, as it will, anything associated with pie is doomed to failure anyways, least the community will know were to look when winmx is closed permanantly..............just hope you have a large capacity on your email account to handle all the thank you notes........... 

looks like "Clarification on official winmxworld policy" to me...

how's that "off topic" ??? in point of fact the open/closed src debate is the "off topic" portion....

still it just adds weight to the original point KM made regarding censorship & silencing of dissent

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

Feel free to show where you gave me any documents KM I would be interested to see them as I havent yet.

You really are sinking low in your efforts to take down this site as it proved your last 2 false claims groundless, winmx has lasted more than the week you claimed it would collapse in and as the patch you started this thread with doesnt use the tcp primary as you currently are to abuse the users trust your wrong in that sphere too, in short go elsewhere if your not helping winmx, most folks have had enough drama queens.

I make apologies to new readers for the sour grapes of KM, he is a mx coding power house for sure but his view that no one else can code but him is hardly the truth.
I have 1 coder currently on the patch as the majority has already been written, he would be amused you think your the only programmer on the whole network.

I,ll deliver a full and concise reply to your post Hell as you have taken the time to ask for details its only correct I supply them to you, this will be in apporoximately 2 to 3 hours , thanks for your patience.

First of all let me say to KM I am sorry for doubting you. Quicks, I ask you to rethink your position as to how you wish to proceed with this site and WinMX in the future. I will take myself out of this loop as I feel the end is coming and it's kind of like death. I'd rather not know when it's going to get me. Quicks you need to really sit back and read every reply you've made in this thread. It really doesn't look good. Is Ice banned or not? If he is then I ask you to really think of why. For expressing his opinion? As you know I am also very opinionated and will say what I please on most any subject. Be it you, KM, Me, Merlin, or whomever. Ice was no more off-topic than anyone who has posted in this thread almost since its origin. Think. Why would Merlin resign? Why would you ban Ice? Normally? Why would KM walk away? Why would SO many who have had SO much respect for you now be saying "enough is enough!"? Why all the whys? Your friends are trying their damnedest to tell you something and these are people you also held in some of the highest regards. If this will not be a site of free speach or a patch made FOR WinMX users and not just for Quicks' pride which is all that is going on now, then personally I wish no more part of it. I await your reply so as to assist in my decision. I realise I'm just a small fish in this bowl but I am a small fish with big truth and big light and personally if it were my choice I'd rather keep that. Please think carefully as you decide how to proceed.

[GhostShip]

Bearded if you dont like the site policy then dont use the site, no one not yourself, KM, Ice or even me is going to use the forum to abuse others especially the site admins and then scream censorship when their bad behaviour is the cause of any action.

You can of course point to any censorship but I havent seen any yet.

Nooky can I suggest you read my posts and then have a little think about the facts in this thread.
KM  makes  multiple allegations he cannot back up and those who have another agenda rush forward to exploit his false claims to their own benefit.

Lets see KMs proof of his claims, sour grapes is all I have seen so far for what is after all a proposal, do not be misled, no patch or code has been released and people like Bearded and Ice are fully aware of that as are you .

Look around Nooky, do you see any "friends" holding back from making abusive comments, I dont.

[Me Here]

I have finally seen enough crap in this thread.

First of all I feel sorry for most of you right now because you know not what you do to yourselves in 1. Believing KM about anything hes said in this thread from the first post to the last one (except the parts where he gives you all full warning of the impending second shut down).  2. Because hes doing exactly what he wanted to do when he closed WinMX Group and that was to take down the WPN and this site with it.

Go ahead .. tell me im foolish or I'm one of the 'cronies' but I'll promise you I know KM better then any of you.  Hes going to keep control of you all and shut this down one way or another.  And as far as I see it your handing him the keys to do so. 

Second of all this thread has turned into a heated debate over whether the new patch should be open source or not.  That's what it is. .not a place to insult one another and take cheap shots.  You all seem to think Ghost is so insistent on explaining things as if this equates to 'its going to be done'.. even though I know you all can read hes said its not set in stone about being open source or not.  For god's sake some of you are going on like Quicks cant read simply because he wants reasons.. and to alleviate some fears possibly in his explanations.  I can assure you KM is full of shit when he talks about the documents that are setting around MY house gathering bath stains and tea stains for the last 3 or more years!!  But yea.. lets not doubt KMs words.. god forbid, when he says its so.. its so.. right?  After all we wont last a week, and Ghost will have me out on the streets if I don't post this?

The patch not being open source is not the end of the word, it simply means that you ppl will be in the same boat you've been in for the years since Frontcode left, a small group of ppl holding your fate, and continued "my patch is better then your patch" shit.  OK fine we could all live through that.  At this rate however, there wont be any new patch and you ppl will be SOL when KM pulls his, as hes said right here in this thread that he can do any time he so chooses, all because a few ppl on this thread seem to want you all to think its being forced on you or felt the need to keep stating youre opinion about it in such  ways that are insulting to not only Ghost, but to myself, the other admins here on site and to the ppl that have been working on the patch.  I can respect folks not wanting the open source, and so can Ghost but in his mind there's a place to educate folks here and all i see is for those attempts hes being slapped in the face with insults and sarcasm.  Is that really needed? 

This may very well be my last post here as well, I can not stomach not being able to even look the site over because its full of repeated rants about how evil we are, open source is, how god like KM is, and bitching about how the site is the new v44. 

Anyone reading this that actually has ever read me before knows I and this site are not about censorship and Merlin and KM have claimed and now Ice I guess, sending threats on MSN, users are free to express feelings and thoughts, and opinions.  (Even when Ice recently decided to spam the site with 50+ posts of the same post over and over, one of those was moved to the site feed back for him, we didnt even delete them all ffs.)
If you cant do that in a semi respectful manor then whose going to take it seriously, if we allow that type of behavior I've seen from several in this thread then we are NO BETTER then the v44 site allowing admins and ex admins to lie and abuse ppl in this thread.  Everyone is welcome to an opinion on any subject, lord knows I have plenty of them, but abusing ppl, stating things as fact you know are not fact is uncalled for and makes me want to puke.

KM you seriously need to get on with your life, you left this site, your abusive when your not getting your way.  I truly believe of you at this time that your sole reasons for this thread is to maintain the control you now have over the users of WinMX and the use the same tactics as MXLie have for years.  You  are no better then they are at this time lying and scaring users to sway their opinions on subjects, in fact its worse to me because you actually know better.
Reading through this thread and looking at how things are going its working very well, so I dont explect you to change a thing.  After all its all about what you want and need isnt it?

I'd also like to say this to Merlin, I love you to death Merlin and I fully understand (not agree with but..) your opinion on this subject and I think so does eveyrone else understand it.  The problem is that you keep stating the same over and over and I really would like for you to allow Ghost the opportunity to explain the technicalities to other users asking questions here, as I told you in the room, you have to admit that if a Doctor tells you, you need surgery and you tell him you wont because your gut says no, do you not think he might try to explain things to you to alleviate some fears,, do you not see the same frustrations you said you feel trying to explain 'its a gut feeling' trying to 'understand a gut feeling'?  Can we cut each other some slack?

Ice Is banned from the site for right now and to be honest the way hes been acting prior to this, Im mostly just wishing i hadn't unbanned him.  He is being abusive everyone was warned and he choose to ignore that warning to keep it clean.  I don't like being threatened and blackmailed and i wont take if from him or anyone else.  I put up with it long enough from KM to keep the status quo because he threatened to shut everything down every time he was upset with me, and that's already done.


Basically you don't have to all agree but you do have to act like adults and If that cant be done I'll close the site.   Then KM will have exactly what he wanted in the first place.

No one deserves to be abused like this, that has done so much for the community as Ghost and myself and other admins and users of the site, selflessly working our asses off to gain nothing except users happily using WinMX for years to come.

So if you have anything to say, say it nicely, as I said it doesn't have to be the same thing I say or Ghosts says or Merlin says or anyone I don't give a rats A.. atm but it better not be abusive, insulting or lies.

[Bearded Blunder]

Me you seem to like analogy.. i've had many doctors tell me both that i need paracetamol and that i "can't be" allergic to it.. (i often wonder if they're forbidding me to be allergic to it)

Nevertheless i *know* taking their advice is a bad idea

[Bearded Blunder]

sorry to double post.. i can't append to the first anymore, but ghost would do well to pick times to try to "educate" ppl where they wern't either preparing to go to bed & too tired to absorb proof 2+2=4

or when they have their msn status to away because they're studying matters that affect their ability to earn a living (coursework) & if the latter seems unreasonable, pehaps posting his work telephone number so he can be disturbed there & possibly lose his job would be a good idea

[GhostShip]

Now thats the helpful Merlin I miss 

I actually am always late going to work Merllin as I try to ensure folks wanting my help are given it, I also visit a lot of news forums to spread the good word where possible and as the opportunity arises.

[Me Here]

I can respect that Merlin both posts.. as I said I would however like anyone else wanting info to be able to do that here.. if its possible or needed is all I ask.

[KM]

calling me a liar?

I have half a mind to send this non-existent information on this method of shutting down the network that you know better than the experts doesn't actually exist directly to macrovision along with an instruction manual - just so you can have a chance just to prove to everyone that sitting there using a program i made for you that gives you the exact numbers to put in to a text file so all you do is copy makes you so much more of an expert with so much more knowledge than the person who made the program in the first place - if you're such fucking experts why can't you do *anything* even slightly more advanced than edit text? and why do you need fucking instructions to do even that? (btw the combined knowledge of these "experts" running winmxworld is that you make web pages by opening a random microsoft office application, such as power point, and using the save as HTML option - yes power point for a web page...)

I do have to ask though why you wasted so much time with block lists when you knew of a better way to filter, and also why you withheld information on how to withstand several forms of devastating attacks on the network - is this because you actually don't have a fucking clue and your claims are bullshit, or did you in fact deliberately withhold such information in the hope that it would harm the network by doing so?

Also why has my account been deleted? I am wondering exactly how you plan to word "because you dared to point out that we actually haven't got a fucking clue and have been completely dependent on your stuff the entire time"

(I see nobody else took the opportunity to comment on ghostships "hey we only just found out the peer cache software might not be perfect for holding up the network" - I had left it thinking someone else might point out the warnings all over the place, on the damn download link, on the forum announcements, and brought up in every single discussion about it, as well as in many other discussions since I shut off winmxgroup)

[Le Wombat]

  WELL WELL WELL

I've Been Sort Of Waiting For The Pot To Boil Over....
Anyway, Well Said MH, Now Everyones Had Their Little
Bitches Maybe You Can get Over Your Selfishness And
Keep This Little Baby Ticking Along For The 99.9% Of
users that just want to play.

ME HERE : I'm In Shock, Didn't Think Ya Had It In Ya, Good On Ya Gal
KM : Build A Bridge Get Over It & Start Helping Again
GS : I Guess The Word Pedantic Comes To Mind (All That Pent Up MX Passion)
ICE HELL BB etc: Like Rats In The Corner, No other Way To Turn

KM If Your As Good As We Think You Are Then get Off Your I'm Feeling Sorry
For Myself Ass And Help The Network Be Independant Of You. Then I Could
Really Think Of You As A God.

GS Such Tenacity & Passion Like A Dog With A Bone. If The New Patch Is Not
A Foregone Conclusion Then Why So Defensive. Why Not Have A Thread And
Put It To The Vote And Put This Thing To Bed Once & For All.

ICE, HELL & BB Whilst I Understand Your Total Frustration At Hitting A Brick Wall
Time & Time Again, I'm With MH Insults Only Create Bad feeling And Are Very
Non Productive.

I'm Not For Or Against Anyone. Just My Observations On This Interesting Little
Ditty That Has Gone On For 11 Pages (Is That A Record Of Some Kind)

HOW ABOUT IT KM ???? NO BULLSHIT RAMBLING FLAMES JUST Y/N

[Me Here]

Yes KM im calling you a liar.

and I am not even going to dignify your pathetic excuse of a post with a response only to say that it proves to me anyway exactly what your motives here are.

[GhostShip]

Please take note KM : You have yet again started another round of abuse as you did last time you posted, you are banned and will remain so while you continue to tell lies and make threats against the users or this site as you have above.

We both know you are already abusing their trust and if your going to attack the site then get on with it as I dont care to waste any further time with your " I know how to kill the network, dont force me to prove it" rants.

[chuck]

 Km you sound like another person that winmx outgrew. Ill close winmx down if i want just try me.I saved mx.  He closed his forum and left mx aswell.  I will be so happy when all the people that pat themselves on the back every chance they get over saveing mx is gone. Maybe then people that dont care to be called the  god of winmx will take winmx to what it can be and should have become over 2 years ago. Ive allways found it funny that given time people will show their true self .

 For all you people that think that anyone here has come up with a patch or anything ealse that macrovision or anyone like them dont know about needs to pull their head out of the sand. The only thing we can ever hope for is to be a step ahead of them. and that takes working together . I am for the source of the patch to be open to those that are known and ask for it id never just put it as a download for everyone on a site . But like i say those that we dont want to have it im sure allready do with out our help.

 I really dont know what to say no matter what the people that can , could help winmx to grow are still to busy fighting  if not between the other patch its between themselves.Km you said you had given up on winmx and had left why now do you come up with this i can close winmx if you push me? I thought you allways said you were better than Vladd44? Why now do you act just like him?

 If the users of winmx came here and read all this BS im sure many would just remove winmx and move on. Come on people this is really getting old  haveing to tell someone how great they are every few months just to feed their ego so we can enjoy winmx. Ghost the next time anyone comes up with a idea for winmx just keep it to your self if not someone will go ape shit and we will never get any where.open. closed. block. dont block. pie. winmxworld patch. argue over any thing. I think it would be best if someone that didnt even use winmx made a patch and ran a server for it . 2 people being banned over this thread and their actions isnt that sad?  Im not mad at anyone but this is really getting silly.

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

I am locking this topic and hopefully everyone will agree with my thinking on it. Enough lines have been drawn and enough blood has been spilled over something that is still unsure. I think all has been said that can be said other than more name calling and accusations. It needs to stop with chuck's good words until we see what's up.

[Bearded Blunder]

..... I would however like anyone else wanting info to be able to do that here.. if its possible or needed

[qoute="ñòóKýçrÕôK"]
I am locking this topic
[/quote]

thus preventing what was previously asaked....

however, i'd like someone please to put on their ANALITICAL head, please ignore the emotive choice of language & read carefully..

I have half a mind to send this non-existent information on this method of shutting down the network that you know better than the experts doesn't actually exist....

he then goes on to talk about blocking and filtering (mixed into the rest).. i don't know if anyone else's reading of this pointed to the same conclusion, but as i read it, it would seem that exposing the BLOCKING/FILTERING code, exposes a possible means of shutdown, i may be misreading what he said, but it's how it reads to me..

i may be wrong & a new patch *may* do it differently & not expose this danger (if it's there) by doing things in a different way...

*but* you don't have KM's blocking/filtering code to know how he did it... (neither do i)

engineers (software, mechanical electrical, electronic, etc.) when faced with similar problems tend to find similar solutions  (ask any patents office)

just some thoughts......

& now we have a whole new thread we didn't need because of (in my opinion) over-zealous use of the moderation controls (i won't say censorship)

*EDIT** Me Here: merged with current topic as per posters intentions.

[Þïñèý]

Topic Unlocked.  I would like to add a few things and see this topic go on the right track with some helpful information


Ok. Where to start?
I would try to stay on topic here but the topic reads “clafirication on official winmxworld policy” and appears to be on the lines of an open source patch  (weird)

I’ll start here: It’s spelled Clarification   not “clafirication”

Quicks  You have stated multiple times that you would show examples, demonstrate and show pictures of how the connection patch being scrutinized is going to work on this thread back on pages 2 and 3.  it is now page 12 and I think by doing as you said had/still has the potential to calm this thread down some

I can give many more examples of either posts by km or tech info to demonstrate the reason why there is no danger in the design of the patch as it stands and I,m sure any coders here will agree that if somethings not in the patch the chances of it being exploited are next to nothing in reality.

on page 2

If it helps anyone I can put together some pictures of the patch architecture that show roughly what it does and how it does it, then a least we can all focus on anything of theoretical concern and address it.

and on page 3

Also you state that there will be no possible exploits available in the source code. Where KM’s patch has a few flaws there. Don’t you find it odd that Nobby states that the patch will be of the same sort?

Your quote:

KMs patch works in a way that would mean there is a potential hazzard for open sourcing it.

Nobbys quote:

2. Vladd, from the very word go, said he would support the best "open source" patch, unfortunately KM chose to hide what was in his patch, and WmW supported this, odd now that they can create the same sort of patch open source. This does add weight to the theory KM had some hidden goodies in his.

as written here: http://acid-lounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23

That leaves me with a few questions.  If the patches are of the same sort, how could this new patch not be exploitable? (other than being closed source and still not always 100% foolproof)  Are they not of the same sort? Please elaborate.


Peer cache applications for WinMx.
Are you going to be pushing an open source incentive on new peer caches also?  How dangerous could that be? (I really don’t know)


300 peer caches?  Now that’s funny. But seriously 300 peer caches?  Is that needed?  Sounds bloated to me.

Posted by Nobby here:  http://acid-lounge.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23

the new community patch will be able to support a network of up to 300 independantly run community caches,

Thank you for taking the time to reply.   (Be Nice Please)

[Bearded Blunder]

please note:
my post https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=5427.0.html
would be placed directly above piney's..
had the thread not been locked

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

Quote from: Me Here
..... I would however like anyone else wanting info to be able to do that here.. if its possible or needed


[qoute="ñòóKýçrÕôK"]
I am locking this topic


thus preventing what was previously asaked....

however, i'd like someone please to put on their ANALITICAL head, please ignore the emotive choice of language & read carefully..


Quote from: KM
I have half a mind to send this non-existent information on this method of shutting down the network that you know better than the experts doesn't actually exist....


he then goes on to talk about blocking and filtering (mixed into the rest).. i don't know if anyone else's reading of this pointed to the same conclusion, but as i read it, it would seem that exposing the BLOCKING/FILTERING code, exposes a possible means of shutdown, i may be misreading what he said, but it's how it reads to me..

i may be wrong & a new patch *may* do it differently & not expose this danger (if it's there) by doing things in a different way...

*but* you don't have KM's blocking/filtering code to know how he did it... (neither do i)

engineers (software, mechanical electrical, electronic, etc.) when faced with similar problems tend to find similar solutions  (ask any patents office)

just some thoughts......

& now we have a whole new thread we didn't need because of (in my opinion) over-zealous use of the moderation controls (i won't say censorship)

It was not over-zealous use of controls. That's the first time I've ever used that nor do I have plans to use it again for this very reason here. I did it because I thought it the right thing to do and I do not intend to excuse it or apologise for it. My post as to why I locked it says clearly enough why. BUT, I also said that anyone wishing it unlocked in /opmsg in the room would be more than welcome to unlock it if there were anymore info to add to it. Which piney then told m ehe wanted to make a post. (not that he had to but I guess he felt it right to say so) I have no problem with it but if you wished to had more to say all you had to do was say so and it would've been opened right up. I didn't care for locking it anyway. But it turned into a group of people slinging insults and bashing which honestly has saddened me greatly.

I've been wanting to say this since all this happened when KM took his servers down. I made the statement to Me Here when it all started that I thought this was all going to be exciting. Man what an understatement. I was astounded at the talent and knowledge of all of you all. I had no idea that you were all as talented as you are. I knew you had good working knowledge and all but DAMN!! I had absolutely no idea all of you were so capable. First of all thank you so much for letting me be a part of that. When WinMXWorld split from the PIE group and went with the dll I always thought "I bet that was cool". I had no idea of everything it took to actually DO that. KM you're an amazing young man. Your dll has provided a future for WinMX in a way most would have never thought possable. Thank you for letting the guys alter it. It was a good thing to do. Being on this side of the fence this time I have to say WHAT A RUSH! You guys are great and I'm just saying thank you one more time. Thank you for everything. And just in case he reads this or even if he can, Tiny, I miss ya bud. Come on back. 

How did I go from feeling that way about all of this group and what they did then to looking at this shit??

Ghost Dunce

and you actually said much worse than that but it's enough to get my point across I think.

calling me a liar?

I have half a mind to send this non-existent information on this method of shutting down the network that you know better than the experts doesn't actually exist directly to macrovision along with an instruction manual - just so you can have a chance just to prove to everyone that sitting there using a program i made for you that gives you the exact numbers to put in to a text file so all you do is copy makes you so much more of an expert with so much more knowledge than the person who made the program in the first place - if you're such fucking experts why can't you do *anything* even slightly more advanced than edit text? and why do you need fucking instructions to do even that? (btw the combined knowledge of these "experts" running winmxworld is that you make web pages by opening a random microsoft office application, such as power point, and using the save as HTML option - yes power point for a web page...)

Where did that shit come from?? ALL THIS, from a group I WAS proud to be a part of and instead of discussing it intelligently it got smacked around and shit all over. Piney ty for unlocking the thread. Your post was very well put and I found it hillarious myself about the 300 peer caches. A point that yet again shows why stupid is as stupid does (meant at Nobber). Merlin ty for showing me the err of my ways. I can assure it won't happen again. You made a very valid point though about KM's threat. Just wished you had said something where I could've unlocked it for you.

[Valor]

Thankyou once again* Me_Here and Ghostship for saving winmx when KM closed winmxgroup caches down. Everything is working great here and I'm uploading/downloading 24/7 with queues a mile long both ways lol. I say once again* because back when frontcode pulled the plug, you two were instumental in inplementing the original hosts file fix and helping thousands of folk get reconnected. Also without your support, encouragament and promotion the KM dll patch never would have got off the ground and we would all still be using the emergency hosts file[pie] fix and battling thousands of fake file bots. Personally I've never liked KM but I do admire is work for winmx especially once he introduced the fake file blocking[suck on that RIAA]. However KM decided to "leave" winmx and take his caches and connection patch with him, fully expecting winmx to shut down as a result.
Anything he says now should be wholly disregarded as malicious sour grapes. Quicks and Me_Here you have rallied support from some good people and managed to get us all connected  again. Also thankyou very much to Micromecca for hosting the winmx help site and archive.It is the best winmx site that ever existed thanks to Me_Here and Ghostship/Quicksilver.
It is great news that you have someone working on a new patch   If we can get the support of the hosts file users for it they can announce it in their winmx update bar[where it says please be patient] and we can finally get the network working %100 for the users on a universal patch that filters fakes out.
Regarding the open source or not question, I don't really understand, isn't the KM dll open source? I know I have edited it a couple of times myself [once to remove the CPU spiking splashscreen and once to manually change cache addresses]. Does this not make it opensource? Ultimately for the new patch it is really up to he who is writing it whether it is opensource or not. I'd like to point out though that if an application is opensource or not has no bearing on whether it can be exploited eg:Windows XPl has had hundreds of patches since it was released to fix the holes. We are also not talking about making Winmx itself opensource [that would be illegal] just the connection/fake blocking patch. Unless he who is making it disappears or dies, he can always fix any issues that arise after it is released, that is the way things normally go isn't it?
Please keep up the good work Me_Here and Quicks. I know that you both have the best interest of winmx users at heart/mind and don't let a few detractors who don't know what they are talking about get you down xxx